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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/climate-changed-debunked.html/comment-page-5#comment-634675</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate change is real</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate change is real</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/climate-changed-debunked.html/comment-page-5#comment-633649</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, science is not based on proof...it s based on observation and the construction of a hypothesis based on that evidence. Enough observations in support of the hypothesis can allow science to build a theory to explain those observations. A single result demonstrating that the hypothesis is wrong will wreck a theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, science is not based on proof&#8230;it s based on observation and the construction of a hypothesis based on that evidence. Enough observations in support of the hypothesis can allow science to build a theory to explain those observations. A single result demonstrating that the hypothesis is wrong will wreck a theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/climate-changed-debunked.html/comment-page-5#comment-633641</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmnn.  I didn&#039;t know that science was based on consensus, or that consensus was even a word associated with science.  I&#039;m not a scientist, but I thought you had to be able to prove things or disprove them as the case may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmnn.  I didn&#8217;t know that science was based on consensus, or that consensus was even a word associated with science.  I&#8217;m not a scientist, but I thought you had to be able to prove things or disprove them as the case may be.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/climate-changed-debunked.html/comment-page-5#comment-633054</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kamal Happy to let your comment stand, but I couldn&#039;t leave in the personal remarks. As to whether there is a consensus. It&#039;s a scientific fact that there never is a consensus on any subject, however, there are thousands of scientists and decades of work that do indeed suggest that anthropogenic pollution is causing changes in our climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kamal Happy to let your comment stand, but I couldn&#8217;t leave in the personal remarks. As to whether there is a consensus. It&#8217;s a scientific fact that there never is a consensus on any subject, however, there are thousands of scientists and decades of work that do indeed suggest that anthropogenic pollution is causing changes in our climate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamal S.</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/climate-changed-debunked.html/comment-page-5#comment-633050</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamal S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may well be true that the human race is failing to recognize itself as harbingers of our own doom, it is certain to me that we as a race have embarked on a potentially disaster prone course of action in regards to our abuses of the physical environment, but sharing this world view with you, and having a moral and ethical concern that we should conduct our affairs in a more sustainable manner, is entirely different than brazenly, blithely, and ignorantly, claim there is a scientific consensus on the specific issue of anthropogenic global climate warming.

There is no scientific consensus on this issue, the only consensus is ideological and political. There were hundreds of high ranking scientists, many of whom have environmentalist credentials, some of whom were Nobel prize winners, some ow whom  were MEMBERS of the UN IPC, who have openly stated that the claim of a scientific consensus is a lie. 

Some of these people have had their  careers affected. Earlier this year a majority of the largest scientific organization in America completely broke rank with their president over his claim of a Scientific consensus on the issue in an interview.

All of these things are facts. The question is NOT answered, it IS  in debate, there IS no consensus on the issue and several scientists who once supported human caused global warming theories have later recanted this.

The earth will survive us, we may not survive our own stupidity. 

Remolding society globally in ways that could economically entire communities of the poor all on the basis of a theory that is far from being established as fact in scientific circles, no matter what you think you have heard and read, and moreover instituting global carbon tax schemes that will harm millions and possibly billions of people, could be a grave mistake.

These very schemes - investigative research has shown - could very well end up massively financially benefit certain of the public figures now claiming that a consensus exists (such as Al Gore who has clear financial and investment ties that will benefit greatly under carbon credit trading schemes) all of this is evil.

Evil prospers when the good do not challenge it. Human caused Global warming COULD WELL be a fact, but there is no consensus on it, and both sides of the issue deserves to be heard.

Follow the money, there are people who are exploiting your fear, and your honest sincere concern for the environment, law, and order, in order to make money off you and impoverish entire societies. Your ignorance of this possibility does not make it less potent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may well be true that the human race is failing to recognize itself as harbingers of our own doom, it is certain to me that we as a race have embarked on a potentially disaster prone course of action in regards to our abuses of the physical environment, but sharing this world view with you, and having a moral and ethical concern that we should conduct our affairs in a more sustainable manner, is entirely different than brazenly, blithely, and ignorantly, claim there is a scientific consensus on the specific issue of anthropogenic global climate warming.</p>
<p>There is no scientific consensus on this issue, the only consensus is ideological and political. There were hundreds of high ranking scientists, many of whom have environmentalist credentials, some of whom were Nobel prize winners, some ow whom  were MEMBERS of the UN IPC, who have openly stated that the claim of a scientific consensus is a lie. </p>
<p>Some of these people have had their  careers affected. Earlier this year a majority of the largest scientific organization in America completely broke rank with their president over his claim of a Scientific consensus on the issue in an interview.</p>
<p>All of these things are facts. The question is NOT answered, it IS  in debate, there IS no consensus on the issue and several scientists who once supported human caused global warming theories have later recanted this.</p>
<p>The earth will survive us, we may not survive our own stupidity. </p>
<p>Remolding society globally in ways that could economically entire communities of the poor all on the basis of a theory that is far from being established as fact in scientific circles, no matter what you think you have heard and read, and moreover instituting global carbon tax schemes that will harm millions and possibly billions of people, could be a grave mistake.</p>
<p>These very schemes &#8211; investigative research has shown &#8211; could very well end up massively financially benefit certain of the public figures now claiming that a consensus exists (such as Al Gore who has clear financial and investment ties that will benefit greatly under carbon credit trading schemes) all of this is evil.</p>
<p>Evil prospers when the good do not challenge it. Human caused Global warming COULD WELL be a fact, but there is no consensus on it, and both sides of the issue deserves to be heard.</p>
<p>Follow the money, there are people who are exploiting your fear, and your honest sincere concern for the environment, law, and order, in order to make money off you and impoverish entire societies. Your ignorance of this possibility does not make it less potent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

Congratulations on your red herring colony and straw man farm. They seem to be thriving.

Let me lay this out simply: The Earth will survive us. But, as it stands now, we may not survive ourselves. The  issue is not that we will turn the Earth into Neptune, the issue is that we will change the planet enough that the population now living on it will not be able to survive the resultant accelerated changes. We are not hardy Vikings, grown hale and strong over time; We are a more vulnerable (and enormous) population which will not weather a rapid radical change well. In short, it&#039;s about us surviving and not hastening inevitable climate change which will significantly alter our world.

There is much &quot;stupidity bordering on arrogance&quot; that we manifest in our lives. But failing to recognize ourselves as the harbingers of our own doom should not be one of them.

Science and the consensus of the scientific community is still against those who would deny our effect on the global climate. That has not changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>Congratulations on your red herring colony and straw man farm. They seem to be thriving.</p>
<p>Let me lay this out simply: The Earth will survive us. But, as it stands now, we may not survive ourselves. The  issue is not that we will turn the Earth into Neptune, the issue is that we will change the planet enough that the population now living on it will not be able to survive the resultant accelerated changes. We are not hardy Vikings, grown hale and strong over time; We are a more vulnerable (and enormous) population which will not weather a rapid radical change well. In short, it&#8217;s about us surviving and not hastening inevitable climate change which will significantly alter our world.</p>
<p>There is much &#8220;stupidity bordering on arrogance&#8221; that we manifest in our lives. But failing to recognize ourselves as the harbingers of our own doom should not be one of them.</p>
<p>Science and the consensus of the scientific community is still against those who would deny our effect on the global climate. That has not changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/climate-changed-debunked.html/comment-page-5#comment-599656</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime politicians take up the banner for another crisis I reach for my wallet and guard my freedom.  

Climate change alarmists ignore climate history.  Why is that?  Are they too stupid or deliberately obtuse to read Caesars memoirs, a great peak into the climate when he lived.  Or, deliberatly forget that the Vikings occupied Greenland at a time when it was warmer than today?  Or, ignore the sunspot cycles of the sun?  Any peak into climate history shows wide and sometimes alarming variation having nothing to do with man.  It is stupidity bordering on arrogance to think we can terraform the earth (deliberately or inadvertently).  

When it comes to climate change follow the money.  Carbon footprint trading will become big business and produce nothing but wealth for the privileged few and a monstrous burden for the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime politicians take up the banner for another crisis I reach for my wallet and guard my freedom.  </p>
<p>Climate change alarmists ignore climate history.  Why is that?  Are they too stupid or deliberately obtuse to read Caesars memoirs, a great peak into the climate when he lived.  Or, deliberatly forget that the Vikings occupied Greenland at a time when it was warmer than today?  Or, ignore the sunspot cycles of the sun?  Any peak into climate history shows wide and sometimes alarming variation having nothing to do with man.  It is stupidity bordering on arrogance to think we can terraform the earth (deliberately or inadvertently).  </p>
<p>When it comes to climate change follow the money.  Carbon footprint trading will become big business and produce nothing but wealth for the privileged few and a monstrous burden for the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/climate-changed-debunked.html/comment-page-4#comment-514736</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article Rajinder. I didn&#039;t want to duplicate online content so trimmed it to the intro. Here&#039;s the link you didn&#039;t provide to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=fewer-april-showers-for-southwest&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sci Am article&lt;/a&gt;.

Meanwhile, Britain having had very wet summers these last couple of years, I note that the UK&#039;s Environment Minister in 2006 is on record as saying climate change would mean hotter and drier summers to come;, it&#039;s almost like he jinxed us.

Anyway, I still cannot see how we can reconcile the definite short-term cooling period we are in these last few years with the global warming trend. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison/langswitch_lang/en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Realclimate.org&lt;/a&gt; debunks the notion, saying that one cannot compare long-term climate change with temporally local weather variations. But, how does anyone know for certain that a short-term weather cooling will not become the long-term climate trend. Are such cooling effects built into the computer models? If not why not, and moreover, and once again how can anyone know that such short-term trends won&#039;t be the long term history in years to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article Rajinder. I didn&#8217;t want to duplicate online content so trimmed it to the intro. Here&#8217;s the link you didn&#8217;t provide to the <a href="http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=fewer-april-showers-for-southwest" rel="nofollow">Sci Am article</a>.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Britain having had very wet summers these last couple of years, I note that the UK&#8217;s Environment Minister in 2006 is on record as saying climate change would mean hotter and drier summers to come;, it&#8217;s almost like he jinxed us.</p>
<p>Anyway, I still cannot see how we can reconcile the definite short-term cooling period we are in these last few years with the global warming trend. <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison/langswitch_lang/en" rel="nofollow">Realclimate.org</a> debunks the notion, saying that one cannot compare long-term climate change with temporally local weather variations. But, how does anyone know for certain that a short-term weather cooling will not become the long-term climate trend. Are such cooling effects built into the computer models? If not why not, and moreover, and once again how can anyone know that such short-term trends won&#8217;t be the long term history in years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajinder Sandhir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajinder Sandhir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Climate has changed for the worse in arid regions of the US
Source: Scientific American
&quot;News -  August 20, 2008
Fewer April Showers for U.S. Southwest as Climate Changes
Things could get uglier for desert flowers looking to bloom in May--and for the region&#039;s water supply, year-round
By David Biello 
The already parched U.S. Southwest is drying up even more, at least in early spring, because of climate change. A new study in Geophysical Research Letters shows that since 1978, the jet stream that brings rainstorms from the Pacific over the western U.S. has been shifting northward—and so has the rain and snow.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate has changed for the worse in arid regions of the US<br />
Source: Scientific American<br />
&#8220;News &#8211;  August 20, 2008<br />
Fewer April Showers for U.S. Southwest as Climate Changes<br />
Things could get uglier for desert flowers looking to bloom in May&#8211;and for the region&#8217;s water supply, year-round<br />
By David Biello<br />
The already parched U.S. Southwest is drying up even more, at least in early spring, because of climate change. A new study in Geophysical Research Letters shows that since 1978, the jet stream that brings rainstorms from the Pacific over the western U.S. has been shifting northward—and so has the rain and snow&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rajinder - none of those changes you cite are particularly extreme. There have been periods in the past when there was no ice, there have been periods where there was much more ice. Temperatures have fluctuated wildly over the millennia and so too carbon dioxide levels. However, I certainly agree that our increasing population, rampant consumption and pollution are not a good thing, whether or not that is the underlying cause of any local effects we are currently observing is a different matter, especially given the current global average cooling period in which we apparently find ourselves at the moment, despite the warming trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rajinder &#8211; none of those changes you cite are particularly extreme. There have been periods in the past when there was no ice, there have been periods where there was much more ice. Temperatures have fluctuated wildly over the millennia and so too carbon dioxide levels. However, I certainly agree that our increasing population, rampant consumption and pollution are not a good thing, whether or not that is the underlying cause of any local effects we are currently observing is a different matter, especially given the current global average cooling period in which we apparently find ourselves at the moment, despite the warming trend.</p>
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