Comments on: Giving Obesity the CHOP http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html Science Blog from Freelance Science Writer David Bradley Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:41:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-467389 David Bradley Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:40 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-467389 Sarah, that's kind of what we're finding re the sweets. As to dental genetics, my father didn't see a dentist till he was in his late fifties, he's still got all his own teeth, has never had toothache, no fillings nothing and I have to say my teeth seem to be similarly as strong, as do those of both my kids. Sarah, that’s kind of what we’re finding re the sweets. As to dental genetics, my father didn’t see a dentist till he was in his late fifties, he’s still got all his own teeth, has never had toothache, no fillings nothing and I have to say my teeth seem to be similarly as strong, as do those of both my kids.

]]> By: Sarah E http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-467371 Sarah E Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:43:36 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-467371 My hippie mom kept the sweets out of the house, and told me that carob was chocolate. (It most certainly is not.) As soon as I got an allowance I regularly spent it all on 1 cent raspberry jujubes (200 at a time, if I recall correctly). But besides a few cavities (which of course are now being linked to genetics), I picked up good eating habits and am in healthy shape as an adult. So yeah, no-brainer advice from those Westminster researchers... yet the whole paper seems like waste the time of peer-reviewers and journal editors... And this CHOP idea sounds like a self-indulgent attempt to brand common sense. My hippie mom kept the sweets out of the house, and told me that carob was chocolate. (It most certainly is not.) As soon as I got an allowance I regularly spent it all on 1 cent raspberry jujubes (200 at a time, if I recall correctly). But besides a few cavities (which of course are now being linked to genetics), I picked up good eating habits and am in healthy shape as an adult. So yeah, no-brainer advice from those Westminster researchers… yet the whole paper seems like waste the time of peer-reviewers and journal editors… And this CHOP idea sounds like a self-indulgent attempt to brand common sense.

]]> By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-467168 David Bradley Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:04:10 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-467168 Parents do play a role, of course. But, I think once kids are pubescent, peers actually take over in terms of where they go, unless you've got very tight apron strings. As to the Barbie carriers, the daughter was only about 8 or 9 so, probably doesn't quite apply. Parents do play a role, of course. But, I think once kids are pubescent, peers actually take over in terms of where they go, unless you’ve got very tight apron strings. As to the Barbie carriers, the daughter was only about 8 or 9 so, probably doesn’t quite apply.

]]> By: Robin Forder http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-467140 Robin Forder Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:29:56 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-467140 David Bradley, you're right, the rebel teen years are a well known phenomenon, and I understand that peers are an incredibly important factor in a young person's life. However, parents do have a powerful role in modelling smoking, drinking, relationship and, indeed, eating behaviour, as your original picture of the barbie balloon mother and daughter indicates. Mina, the food dudes programme looks like an excellent idea: http://www.fooddudes.co.uk/index.htm 'The Food Dude Programme, developed by psychologists at Bangor University, is an initiative to encourage and maintain healthy eating habits in children.' David Brown, five slender children is good! David Bradley, you’re right, the rebel teen years are a well known phenomenon, and I understand that peers are an incredibly important factor in a young person’s life. However, parents do have a powerful role in modelling smoking, drinking, relationship and, indeed, eating behaviour, as your original picture of the barbie balloon mother and daughter indicates.
Mina, the food dudes programme looks like an excellent idea: http://www.fooddudes.co.uk/index.htm
‘The Food Dude Programme, developed by psychologists at Bangor University, is an initiative to encourage and maintain healthy eating habits in children.’
David Brown, five slender children is good!

]]> By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-467013 David Bradley Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:04:26 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-467013 David, that's been considered the logical conclusion since the 1950s hasn't it? And, some observers are now finding new evidence for this. David, that’s been considered the logical conclusion since the 1950s hasn’t it? And, some observers are now finding new evidence for this.

]]> By: David Brown http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-466816 David Brown Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:14:03 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-466816 We raised five slender children on a high-fat diet; plenty of full fat dairy, eggs, and red meat. It's sugar, especially the fructose portion, that is contributing to the increased incidence of obesity. It's time to discard that idea that "fat makes you fat." Certainly, fat in conjunction with sugar, contributes to fat stores - omega-6 vegetable oils more so than animal fats and coconut oil. David Brown Nutrition Education Project We raised five slender children on a high-fat diet; plenty of full fat dairy, eggs, and red meat. It’s sugar, especially the fructose portion, that is contributing to the increased incidence of obesity.

It’s time to discard that idea that “fat makes you fat.” Certainly, fat in conjunction with sugar, contributes to fat stores – omega-6 vegetable oils more so than animal fats and coconut oil.

David Brown
Nutrition Education Project

]]> By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-466291 David Bradley Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:46:40 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-466291 Despite parents' best efforts it seems that their kids are influence (particularly in their early teens) almost 100% by the morals and viewpoints of their peers not be health campaigns, proverbs, and certainly not by parents... Despite parents’ best efforts it seems that their kids are influence (particularly in their early teens) almost 100% by the morals and viewpoints of their peers not be health campaigns, proverbs, and certainly not by parents…

]]> By: Robin Forder http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-466249 Robin Forder Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:20:47 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-466249 Good, solid advice, indeed. It sounds like a chicken and egg situation: the children need to be trained well, but the parents need to do that training, and to set a good example. It reminds me of the proverb, 'Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it,' Proverbs 22:6 (ESV). Perhaps the motivation could be the eventual consequences, a bit like the anti-smoking advertisements seen here in the UK: making clear the effects, and even dramatising them. 'It's for their own good,' as I'm sure many parents used to say. Good, solid advice, indeed. It sounds like a chicken and egg situation: the children need to be trained well, but the parents need to do that training, and to set a good example. It reminds me of the proverb, ‘Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it,’ Proverbs 22:6 (ESV).
Perhaps the motivation could be the eventual consequences, a bit like the anti-smoking advertisements seen here in the UK: making clear the effects, and even dramatising them. ‘It’s for their own good,’ as I’m sure many parents used to say.

]]> By: Mina http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-466031 Mina Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:12:36 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-466031 Enter the Food Dude Programme. I'm interested to see how it fares in North America now. Enter the Food Dude Programme. I’m interested to see how it fares in North America now.

]]> By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/giving-obesity-the-chop.html/comment-page-1#comment-465245 David Bradley Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:53:06 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/?p=1689#comment-465245 John, I totally agree, I hoped my item was sarcastic enough of the research for my thoughts to come through maybe not. As to the photo...the woman's daughter was in tow when I snapped the original, and she too was very overweight and also rather ironically carrying a Barbie balloon. I didn't think it fair to show the daughter too even though it would have been more pertinent to the post and even if I'd blacked out eyes for her and her Barbie too. John, I totally agree, I hoped my item was sarcastic enough of the research for my thoughts to come through maybe not.

As to the photo…the woman’s daughter was in tow when I snapped the original, and she too was very overweight and also rather ironically carrying a Barbie balloon. I didn’t think it fair to show the daughter too even though it would have been more pertinent to the post and even if I’d blacked out eyes for her and her Barbie too.

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