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	<title>Comments on: Shedding Light on Neon Signs</title>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/neon-signs.html/comment-page-3#comment-639586</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 16:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JohnA Fine. I presume you&#039;re qualified to make those statements despite spelling fluorescent, flourescent several times in your comment ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JohnA Fine. I presume you&#8217;re qualified to make those statements despite spelling fluorescent, flourescent several times in your comment ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: JohnA</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/neon-signs.html/comment-page-3#comment-639581</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 15:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still seems to be some confusion here regarding. Hg in &quot;neon&quot; tubes.

Pure neon gas with NO MERCURY produces the familiar red neon glow.  There is NEVER mercury added to these tubes.  Not now, not in the 1930&#039;s.  Pure neon gas is also used to make various shades of orange-red-pink, etc.  Again, no mercury at all in such tubes.  Not even a pico-gram.  Doing such would ruin the tube&#039;s color.

Other shades of &quot;neon&quot; operate identical to a flourescent lamp, but have a cold-cathode electrode instead of a heated filament.  These tubes are cold cathode flourescent... though many just use the word &quot;neon&quot; as a general term for such custom-formed lamps.

 Yes, these tubes have mercury to activate the phosphor coating, and vastly increase lumen efficiency.  And correct - such tubes have generally more &quot;Hg than typical hot-cathode flourescent lamps.  However, the same technologies hot-cathode lamps use to reduce Hg content are now filtering down into the neon industry as well:

But there is more to the Hg story.  The truth is that LEED correctly calculates mercury content in picogram/lumen hour http://leed-eb.leonardoacademy.org/sustain_calc.php . In this way cold cathode can be calculated as having a substantially reduced Hg environmental impact over CFL and potentially over low Hg linear hot cathode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still seems to be some confusion here regarding. Hg in &#8220;neon&#8221; tubes.</p>
<p>Pure neon gas with NO MERCURY produces the familiar red neon glow.  There is NEVER mercury added to these tubes.  Not now, not in the 1930&#8242;s.  Pure neon gas is also used to make various shades of orange-red-pink, etc.  Again, no mercury at all in such tubes.  Not even a pico-gram.  Doing such would ruin the tube&#8217;s color.</p>
<p>Other shades of &#8220;neon&#8221; operate identical to a flourescent lamp, but have a cold-cathode electrode instead of a heated filament.  These tubes are cold cathode flourescent&#8230; though many just use the word &#8220;neon&#8221; as a general term for such custom-formed lamps.</p>
<p> Yes, these tubes have mercury to activate the phosphor coating, and vastly increase lumen efficiency.  And correct &#8211; such tubes have generally more &#8220;Hg than typical hot-cathode flourescent lamps.  However, the same technologies hot-cathode lamps use to reduce Hg content are now filtering down into the neon industry as well:</p>
<p>But there is more to the Hg story.  The truth is that LEED correctly calculates mercury content in picogram/lumen hour <a href="http://leed-eb.leonardoacademy.org/sustain_calc.php" rel="nofollow">http://leed-eb.leonardoacademy.org/sustain_calc.php</a> . In this way cold cathode can be calculated as having a substantially reduced Hg environmental impact over CFL and potentially over low Hg linear hot cathode.</p>
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		<title>By: William Hayes</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/neon-signs.html/comment-page-3#comment-639565</link>
		<dc:creator>William Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have been building experimental neon tubes for the scientific community here in Boulder Colorado for years. Great information!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have been building experimental neon tubes for the scientific community here in Boulder Colorado for years. Great information!</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Bilous</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/neon-signs.html/comment-page-3#comment-637236</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Bilous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know of  wholesale suppiers or vendors to purchase Neon products to relate to our museum fall science exihbition on neon ?

Thank you ,
Regards,  Wendy buyer for The Manitoba Museum Shop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know of  wholesale suppiers or vendors to purchase Neon products to relate to our museum fall science exihbition on neon ?</p>
<p>Thank you ,<br />
Regards,  Wendy buyer for The Manitoba Museum Shop</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/neon-signs.html/comment-page-3#comment-630666</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strictly speaking, neon is the only gas that can be used for neon lights, but as discussed in the article the the other noble gases and mercury vapour are also available for use in fluorescent tubes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strictly speaking, neon is the only gas that can be used for neon lights, but as discussed in the article the the other noble gases and mercury vapour are also available for use in fluorescent tubes.</p>
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		<title>By: colored light</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/neon-signs.html/comment-page-2#comment-630664</link>
		<dc:creator>colored light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>other than these gases, are there any other that could be used for neon lights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>other than these gases, are there any other that could be used for neon lights?</p>
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		<title>By: JohnA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, radon has never been used in the neon industry.  I have heard a few scientific narrow-spectrum bulbs used small quantities to lower the starting voltage - but that&#039;s it. 

Pure neon, with nothing else, gives you the deep red color that is so familiar.  It is in neon sign tubes at a pressure of around 15 mbar for this effect.  In other words, mostly a vacuum with a small amount of pure neon added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, radon has never been used in the neon industry.  I have heard a few scientific narrow-spectrum bulbs used small quantities to lower the starting voltage &#8211; but that&#8217;s it. </p>
<p>Pure neon, with nothing else, gives you the deep red color that is so familiar.  It is in neon sign tubes at a pressure of around 15 mbar for this effect.  In other words, mostly a vacuum with a small amount of pure neon added.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question, was radon ever used in neon type lighting either by itself or as a mix with other gasses? I remember reading something about it years ago that it was mixed with neon to produce a very dark red colour. Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question, was radon ever used in neon type lighting either by itself or as a mix with other gasses? I remember reading something about it years ago that it was mixed with neon to produce a very dark red colour. Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/neon-signs.html/comment-page-2#comment-592197</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the additional information John, I think the Ne-Hg tube I saw mentioned was in a research lab forty years ago rather than being a practical device for illumination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the additional information John, I think the Ne-Hg tube I saw mentioned was in a research lab forty years ago rather than being a practical device for illumination.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve run a neon business for over 20 years.  In my industry,  I can&#039;t imagine a scenario of using Hg in a neon tube.  In fluorescent tubes (both cold cathode &quot;neon&quot;  and hot cathode), small amounts of neon, krypton, etc. are added to the carrier gas to help boost output in cold temperatures.  That might be what someone is talking about when mentioning neon-Hg.  Visually, a neon-Hg tube looks just like an Argon-Hg tube, as the mercury discharge overpowers the discharge.

BTW, you can also make many colors now in a &quot;neon type&quot; tube without mercury by using pure Xenon gas.  This works especially well for green, blue, turquoise, purple, etc.  Adding Hg does boost the efficiency significantly however.  For lots of light and low power requirements,  Hg (unfortunately) hasn&#039;t found a replacement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve run a neon business for over 20 years.  In my industry,  I can&#8217;t imagine a scenario of using Hg in a neon tube.  In fluorescent tubes (both cold cathode &#8220;neon&#8221;  and hot cathode), small amounts of neon, krypton, etc. are added to the carrier gas to help boost output in cold temperatures.  That might be what someone is talking about when mentioning neon-Hg.  Visually, a neon-Hg tube looks just like an Argon-Hg tube, as the mercury discharge overpowers the discharge.</p>
<p>BTW, you can also make many colors now in a &#8220;neon type&#8221; tube without mercury by using pure Xenon gas.  This works especially well for green, blue, turquoise, purple, etc.  Adding Hg does boost the efficiency significantly however.  For lots of light and low power requirements,  Hg (unfortunately) hasn&#8217;t found a replacement.</p>
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