Comments on: Scientific Sin and Self Plagiarism http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html Science Blog from Freelance Science Writer David Bradley Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:52:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html/comment-page-2#comment-371032 David Bradley Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:07:05 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html#comment-371032 Camilla, yes, you're right the phrase has been used elsewhere with various meanings, so although I'd thought of it off the cuff, it's not such an original phrase as I'd assumed. db Camilla, yes, you’re right the phrase has been used elsewhere with various meanings, so although I’d thought of it off the cuff, it’s not such an original phrase as I’d assumed.

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]]> By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html/comment-page-2#comment-371027 David Bradley Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:01:23 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html#comment-371027 Adam, preliminary communications get special dispensation. Speaking from RSC experience, the comms journals (like Chem Comm for which I was deputy editor) had rules about how much information was allowable without such a "paper" being regarded as a "full paper" db Adam, preliminary communications get special dispensation. Speaking from RSC experience, the comms journals (like Chem Comm for which I was deputy editor) had rules about how much information was allowable without such a “paper” being regarded as a “full paper”

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]]> By: azmanam http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html/comment-page-2#comment-370477 azmanam Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:06:21 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html#comment-370477 How do you handle an organic research group publishing a communication outlining their total synthesis of some natural product, then later going back and writing up a full paper on the same total synthesis. This is quite common and accepted in organic chemistry, but would it technically fall under self-plagiarism? Aside from embellishing with interesting observations and failed routes, how many ways can you word a synthetic scheme? See here for example: <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1021/ja0533895" rel="nofollow">Communication</a> <a href="http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jacsat/asap/abs/ja800163v.html" rel="nofollow">Full Paper</a> (I am in no way trying to single out this particular research group - it just happened to be in the current JACS ASAPs and I didn't search any harder than that.) How do you handle an organic research group publishing a communication outlining their total synthesis of some natural product, then later going back and writing up a full paper on the same total synthesis. This is quite common and accepted in organic chemistry, but would it technically fall under self-plagiarism? Aside from embellishing with interesting observations and failed routes, how many ways can you word a synthetic scheme?

See here for example:
Communication
Full Paper

(I am in no way trying to single out this particular research group – it just happened to be in the current JACS ASAPs and I didn’t search any harder than that.)

]]> By: Camilla http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html/comment-page-1#comment-370435 Camilla Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:12:53 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html#comment-370435 Hi David, I believe that the original Nature article used the term "self-plagiarism", so I'm not really sure that you can claim that you coined it. It may be a misleading term, as Jonathan suggests, but it seems that it's not really a new way of describing what's happening. Hi David,
I believe that the original Nature article used the term “self-plagiarism”, so I’m not really sure that you can claim that you coined it. It may be a misleading term, as Jonathan suggests, but it seems that it’s not really a new way of describing what’s happening.

]]> By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html/comment-page-1#comment-370385 David Bradley Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:13:45 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html#comment-370385 Jonathan, thanks again for your input on this. Yes, Sciencebase gets picked up regularly on the USA Today site, I believe, the Blogburst people scrape my newsfeed (with permission) and USAToday is one of their syndication partners. db Jonathan, thanks again for your input on this. Yes, Sciencebase gets picked up regularly on the USA Today site, I believe, the Blogburst people scrape my newsfeed (with permission) and USAToday is one of their syndication partners.

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]]> By: David Bradley http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html/comment-page-1#comment-370384 David Bradley Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:12:16 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html#comment-370384 I doubt it Mitch, that would be "acceptable use" wouldn't it? db I doubt it Mitch, that would be “acceptable use” wouldn’t it?

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]]> By: Mitch http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html/comment-page-1#comment-370382 Mitch Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:09:35 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html#comment-370382 Do I really have to reword my abstract for an ACS conference if I'm only presenting the findings found within a paper that I published? Mitch Do I really have to reword my abstract for an ACS conference if I’m only presenting the findings found within a paper that I published?

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]]> By: Jonathan Bailey http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html/comment-page-1#comment-370321 Jonathan Bailey Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:50:35 +0000 http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/scientific-sin-and-self-plagiarism.html#comment-370321 First off, thanks for the links and the compliments. It was a great honor talking with you about this. However, on a more important note, congrats on being picked up by USAToday.com via BlogBurst! That is very exciting. I don't know if you've been picked up there before but it is very nice and I am happy to be "along for the ride" so to speak. You do great work and it shows. Thank you again for everything! First off, thanks for the links and the compliments. It was a great honor talking with you about this.

However, on a more important note, congrats on being picked up by USAToday.com via BlogBurst! That is very exciting.

I don’t know if you’ve been picked up there before but it is very nice and I am happy to be “along for the ride” so to speak. You do great work and it shows.

Thank you again for everything!

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