I had to laugh when a member posted that most evidence to their argument “can be found on such and such a government website.” In my mind nothing could, “these days” dissuade me more quickly from acceptance of “a point”………”that I found it on a Government Website immediately sends up “red flags”. Am I alone in this?

I will look to supplement initially levels of Glutathione, I am 61 years old, extremely healthy, very active with work, surfing and tennis. I also prepare ALL of my meals, love to do it, and don’t stay away from anything. Though I must say I don’t do any dairy…….other than a yougurt occasionally, and now and then splurge for one of those sweet tasting Acidiophillus (sp?) Drinks. Just to snag some of that friendly bacterium. I believe in powerful Antioxidants, particularly those where there has been no demonstrable ability to take their use to “Toxic” levels.
In fact in the 80′s I used BHA and BHT…….quite extensively. This is a fat soluable substance that was principally used as a preservative for packaging, breakfast cereals, chips…etc I’ll try the spelling don’t shoot me. ByutalatedlHydroxatoulene………….Which was touted in the Book Life Extension, By dirk Pearson and Sandy Shaw, two MIT researchers, who at that time collated a tremendous amount of information in the The Theory of Free Radicals, as it was referred to at that time……………………BHT was first noticed as a powerful anti-oxidant by the military. It allowed them to prevent rubber from oxidizing and was also used to prevent their fuels from oxidizing and becoming useless in the “field”…….I heard of a study that once connected the use of this Preservative, with blindness in the sixth generation of Mice, so while I did in fact use this, along with about three grams of C a day, which I took in intervals 4 times a day, constant level serum C, : the benefit was to skin and to vascular flexibility……….or so was claimed………..

So I will close with this…I remember when anything associated with diet, herbs, supplementation was simply another form of “quackery”…….And have watched and participated as what was perceived at onetime “outlandish” and Avant Garde became common place. Therefore it is unwise to fix ones position with regard any topic which might enhance the quality of your existence here It is neither wise to be quick to Leap nor is it wise to be trapped by the Folly of not doing so. Therein lies the Rub. The Prudent Value of Balance, Knowledge, Reason, and Circumstances from and by which you Divine these intentionally nebulous constellations.

The knowledge in medicine, bio-medicine, Holistic Medicine, in 1980, and I mean the entire Library of Knowledge from Oral tradition to the written Word…….was said to double every five years. We are now near 2010 the Exponential increase of this Library, if the premise of 1980 is correct, I believe close to impossible to Capture through any media, let alone Text.

Which leads me to this point. Do not look to government Websites for anything other than the method supplied to disprove anything they might promulgate. In other words if the Government endorses a position pertaining to Health, I look in the other direction for something more akin to an unbiased truth………………Aloha Brant

What hospital? When?

Just curious.

One of the hospitals where I have worked used Immunocal. It is medicare approved but different states have different rules about its use.

Thanks.

The product has been extensively researched. Dr. Gustavo Bounos is the lead researcher. He tested it with different population including AIDS patients. And it is the only non-drug product listed in the PDR.

Regards,
Gilles

Jack Kunkel Said ….”I recall a study where milk thistle, used as placebo, unexpectedly outperformed echinicia as a virus prophylactic, even while another study indicated milk thistle might not be as helpful for the liver as hoped.”

Just a FIY for the GSH junkies reading this…Milk Thistle is a glutathione potentiatior. It was the supplement of choice before MAX and Immunocal came to be. At least that is what I read in a book. The books copyright predated both. I do not remember the name but it had something to do with immune boosting. No wonder that it worked better than echinacea.

Also, NAC is a supplement. It is only considered a pharmaceutical when in the IV form. It is in the PDR in both forms.

One therapist on the web claims that the NAC you buy from a health food store worked as good as MAX did for pain relief for his wife. The difference was about $15 verses $77. You will also need 500 mg of Vitamin C and Lipoic Acid, and 200 mcg of selenium. Still it is cheaper than the $77. And is there shipping on top of that?

Or, if as stated above, you eat a well rounded diet or even eat more of the immunity boosting foods, chances are you will be healthy. Kind of a novel idea. Eat right and you will not have to take pills.

The 2oo mcg of selenium can be had from 2 Brazil nuts. We also give this to prostate patents. Generally we suggest that if they eat 2 Brazil nuts a day they will die of something other than prostate cancer. Now selenium is given by some docs for almost everything. Even in the burn unit where I have worked.

Don’t get me wrong. I am all for supplements if your fighting diseases or conditions. I just prefer to go to the medicine cabinet in my cupboard first. I think both Immunocal (which we have used in the hospital) and MAX are great products. A bit over priced though. Immunocal is great for children, tube feeding patients, and those who do not like to swallow pills. Immunocal is medicare approved ( Sorry MLMers, no MLM profits for you).

MAX is good for, well, those who cannot afford Immunocal or hate to mix their meds prior to taking them. NAC, the ingredient in MAX has a half life of only 12 hours to my knowledge. So for it to work, it would have to be taken continuously. The Immunocal form, (and I may be wrong) is in a form that allows the body to store it a bit longer. Now it can more readily do numerous jobs in addition to boosting glutathione.

As stated above, glutathione will not treat or cure everything or everyone.

When I have the signs of a sore throat, the best thing you can do is the zinc sore throat treatment cure. Have not had a sore throat for over 15 years now. When one is coming on, a zinc lozenge will knock it out. I learned about these from an orthopedic doc I was a nurse for.

For the sake of disclosure, I should say that I come from a family of farmers and have a biased leaning toward foods that come out of the ground or from on top of the ground (with legs, wings or scales) verses out of a factory.

Good health to you all.

Lesly of course, is a Max distributor. Cellgevity was indeed recently acquired by MaxGXL. Not too hard for us all to figure out.

What is funny is that N-Acetyl Cysteine, which is in the formula she represents, is exactly what she is complaining about – it is a pharmaceutical drug. How ironic that she would attack you for the same reason.

Interestingly, Max GXL does not show up with any results on PubMed, although one of its ingredients, which can be purchased as a drugstore, NAC, is the subject of thousands of studies on its own, and has been used in emergency medicine for years for acetaminophen overdose.

Funny you don’t love pharmaceuticals yourself, Lesly, since you are cashing their check every month.

I stated from the beginning that I am an Immunotec consultant who represents Immunocal, and that my statements along with statements made by any other person who has money to gain must be viewed with skepticism.

I always encourage others to do the research. If you look through this forum, you will see links to PubMed, the FDA, and the US Patent Office for Immunocal in one of my earlier posts.

I agree – we all should do our research, and be wary of exaggerated claims. Glutathione enhancement is not a breakthrough. It has been around for over 30 years now, with Immunocal the subject now of 27 published clinical trials. You can find 11 of them by name by going to http://www.pubmed.gov and typing in Immunoca . Try the same for MaxGXL and you be the judge.

David, your original post was about immunity and glutathione. It seems we have gotten off topic. My apologies, but this comment above had to be addressed. There have been some very knowledgeable people posting on this particular thread and I have really enjoyed the comments. Let’s keep that up.

Cheers,
Laura

I do notice that Nagasawa apparently does though – Cellgevity Inc, is it? There are numerous websites suggesting that this company has developed breakthroughs associated with immunity and glutathione, similarly Keller’s name seems to be associated with a lot of sites selling this supplement and making all kinds of wild claims for it.

I am always very, very wary of anyone claiming a breakthrough. There are no panaceas. Nothing is 100% effective with zero side effects. Nothing. Not herbal remedies, hand-waving cr*p like reiki “therapy” or pharmaceuticals. Why are people so keen to believe in the mystical nonsense touted by snake oil salesmen?

Thanks for your time and hope to hear from you soon.

Lesly Perez

I don’t know exactly what you’re after either but perhaps Dr. John Cannell has information on prevention of H1N1 that might be helpful. http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml This link will get you to two letters from physicians who find that ensuring that patients are not vitamin D deficient seems to afford protection from the H1N1 virus.

I would be happy to help, but not sure what you are looking for. Are you asking how to test people for the swine flu at your science fair? I would think this would be performed by each one’s personal health care professional in a health care facility, rather than at a fair. Or do I misunderstand? Please clarify.

For more information on the symptoms, prevention, and treatment of swine flu, you can visit the World Health Organization’s webpage here:

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/swineflu/en/

and the Centers For Disease Control here:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/

and here:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/qa.htm

Does that help, Mary?

Regards,
Laura
Immune Health Solutions