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		<title>By: Mark Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-522432</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wondering story.If anyone is more eminently qualified to give the recipe for a Perfect Cup of Tea than Oscar Wilde, then surely it must be the Chemistry Department at Loughborough University .
http://www.blossomingleaf.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wondering story.If anyone is more eminently qualified to give the recipe for a Perfect Cup of Tea than Oscar Wilde, then surely it must be the Chemistry Department at Loughborough University .<br />
<a href="http://www.blossomingleaf.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blossomingleaf.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-428800</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you spotted the chocolate teapot Jon. Yes, there is an awful lot of received wisdom that gets upgraded to scientific know-how in retrospect. I don&#039;t think there are any proteins in milk that are severely denatured to the point of affecting taste. If they were the whole Horlicks/Ovaltine market would have dried up years ago. More worrying is that someone might add lemon to tea containing milk, that definitely will denature milk proteins causing curdling and little flecks of milky stuff in your tea.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you spotted the chocolate teapot Jon. Yes, there is an awful lot of received wisdom that gets upgraded to scientific know-how in retrospect. I don&#8217;t think there are any proteins in milk that are severely denatured to the point of affecting taste. If they were the whole Horlicks/Ovaltine market would have dried up years ago. More worrying is that someone might add lemon to tea containing milk, that definitely will denature milk proteins causing curdling and little flecks of milky stuff in your tea.</p>
<p>db</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-428754</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 11:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? The Pyramid bags are another clever marketing ploy, and their three-dimensional tea filtering bears no relevance on the taste? I&#039;ve been buying those things for years - they clearly work, if only in a placebo kind of way. Placebags?

Having recently moved to the Big Smoke, I&#039;ve found the quality of my tea has gone significantly downwards; a far cry from the soft waters of the Land of my Fathers where I grew up. I note the recipe states using &#039;softened&#039; water, which I agree is no substitute for naturally soft water. I have to conclude, from personal experience, that one can only get a decent cup of tea in Wales. :)

Perhaps I should have read that press release before I linked to it - the Loughborough man concentrates on adding milk before water &quot;because denaturation of milk proteins is likely to occur&quot;, but this isn&#039;t the historical reason. In the bad old days, pre-porcelain, the milk was added first because the hot tea would crack the cheap china cups that were available to the masses.

And so, bereft of science but heavy on history, this rambly post ends. It seems it was about as useful as the teapot pictured in this post, apparently made of chocolate!

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? The Pyramid bags are another clever marketing ploy, and their three-dimensional tea filtering bears no relevance on the taste? I&#8217;ve been buying those things for years &#8211; they clearly work, if only in a placebo kind of way. Placebags?</p>
<p>Having recently moved to the Big Smoke, I&#8217;ve found the quality of my tea has gone significantly downwards; a far cry from the soft waters of the Land of my Fathers where I grew up. I note the recipe states using &#8217;softened&#8217; water, which I agree is no substitute for naturally soft water. I have to conclude, from personal experience, that one can only get a decent cup of tea in Wales. :)</p>
<p>Perhaps I should have read that press release before I linked to it &#8211; the Loughborough man concentrates on adding milk before water &#8220;because denaturation of milk proteins is likely to occur&#8221;, but this isn&#8217;t the historical reason. In the bad old days, pre-porcelain, the milk was added first because the hot tea would crack the cheap china cups that were available to the masses.</p>
<p>And so, bereft of science but heavy on history, this rambly post ends. It seems it was about as useful as the teapot pictured in this post, apparently made of chocolate!</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-427934</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to have some support for my negligible oxygenation comments. You&#039;re right about tea making varying from region to region, my wife insists on warming the pot, but my Dad is not worried about simply dunking a teabag in the cup.

Incidentally, Tetley marketed pyramidal teabags a while back for a fresher flavour, but on the box it said it didn&#039;t matter if the teabag didn&#039;t sit fully pyramidally erect as you&#039;d still get a full-flavoured cuppa. Basically proved that the shape was purely a marketing ploy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to have some support for my negligible oxygenation comments. You&#8217;re right about tea making varying from region to region, my wife insists on warming the pot, but my Dad is not worried about simply dunking a teabag in the cup.</p>
<p>Incidentally, Tetley marketed pyramidal teabags a while back for a fresher flavour, but on the box it said it didn&#8217;t matter if the teabag didn&#8217;t sit fully pyramidally erect as you&#8217;d still get a full-flavoured cuppa. Basically proved that the shape was purely a marketing ploy.</p>
<p>db</p>
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		<title>By: Dr K A Narayana</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-427931</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr K A Narayana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preparing tea needs boiling of water. After boiling dissolved gases evaporate and minerals precipitate . we do not relish boiled water even after cooling.(even plants may not relish boiled and cooled water because if such water is put to some indoor plants like moneyplant which is commonly grown in Indian houses turns yellow within one or two days). Probably  oxygen has no role in the taste of Tea.Tea making requires primarily the leafy preparation(not the powder), thick tea pot either of porcelain or terracotta pot and the tea should be prepared slowly(even though there is little waste of energy). A white porcelain teacup is preffered. Allowing the hot tea in the tea cup is a good option even though there is an extra work of removing the cream which forms on the surface after cooling.However tea making varies from region to region and person to person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preparing tea needs boiling of water. After boiling dissolved gases evaporate and minerals precipitate . we do not relish boiled water even after cooling.(even plants may not relish boiled and cooled water because if such water is put to some indoor plants like moneyplant which is commonly grown in Indian houses turns yellow within one or two days). Probably  oxygen has no role in the taste of Tea.Tea making requires primarily the leafy preparation(not the powder), thick tea pot either of porcelain or terracotta pot and the tea should be prepared slowly(even though there is little waste of energy). A white porcelain teacup is preffered. Allowing the hot tea in the tea cup is a good option even though there is an extra work of removing the cream which forms on the surface after cooling.However tea making varies from region to region and person to person.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-427713</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes interesting reading Jon, but filtered and softened water, as you know are not the same thing. To soften water you have to chemically remove the ions that make the water hard, which involves ion exchanging them (it&#039;s either that or heating the water to precipitate those ions as salts (limescale)), which brings us full circle. To avoid limescale scum on the top of a cup of tea, it&#039;s simpler to have a kettle filter that catches the scum while pouring into the pot.

As to the oxygen levels, I believe that&#039;s a red herring, is there a research paper on that aspect that you could cite?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes interesting reading Jon, but filtered and softened water, as you know are not the same thing. To soften water you have to chemically remove the ions that make the water hard, which involves ion exchanging them (it&#8217;s either that or heating the water to precipitate those ions as salts (limescale)), which brings us full circle. To avoid limescale scum on the top of a cup of tea, it&#8217;s simpler to have a kettle filter that catches the scum while pouring into the pot.</p>
<p>As to the oxygen levels, I believe that&#8217;s a red herring, is there a research paper on that aspect that you could cite?</p>
<p>db</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-427672</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 09:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I recommend the experts&#039; opinions, summarised here:

http://www.rsc.org/pdf/pressoffice/2003/tea.pdf

If anyone is more eminently qualified to give the recipe for a Perfect Cup of Tea than Oscar Wilde, then surely it must be the Chemistry Department at Loughborough University ;-)

I&#039;ve tried it myself, and it works like a charm. The more ceremony in a cup of tea, the better, of course - the Eastern civilisations correctly observe this still. IMHO, naturally.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I recommend the experts&#8217; opinions, summarised here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rsc.org/pdf/pressoffice/2003/tea.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsc.org/pdf/pressoffice/2003/tea.pdf</a></p>
<p>If anyone is more eminently qualified to give the recipe for a Perfect Cup of Tea than Oscar Wilde, then surely it must be the Chemistry Department at Loughborough University ;-)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tried it myself, and it works like a charm. The more ceremony in a cup of tea, the better, of course &#8211; the Eastern civilisations correctly observe this still. IMHO, naturally.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: CMC guy</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-424764</link>
		<dc:creator>CMC guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a hot tea drinker although used to make Sun tea/ice tea by solar heating a filled glass jug conatining several teabags (which assume is sinful in eyes of real tea drinkers).  

Back in my days in Analytical QC wet lab we&#039;d boil the water to remove CO2 for precise titration solutions so could be that if increased H2CO3 would extract components that might alter taste.  Seems logical someone at sometime must have done investigation of this nature to profile what differences in tea solutions occur based on water source/treatment so a literature search might find data (if not could be a good school science project if had access to GC?).  

I recall in undergrad org lab using steam distillation to extract caffeine from tea as one of the few times people enjoyed smell in the lab.  Perhaps only second to when we made a selection of esters with Methyl salicylate/wintergreen being my favorite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a hot tea drinker although used to make Sun tea/ice tea by solar heating a filled glass jug conatining several teabags (which assume is sinful in eyes of real tea drinkers).  </p>
<p>Back in my days in Analytical QC wet lab we&#8217;d boil the water to remove CO2 for precise titration solutions so could be that if increased H2CO3 would extract components that might alter taste.  Seems logical someone at sometime must have done investigation of this nature to profile what differences in tea solutions occur based on water source/treatment so a literature search might find data (if not could be a good school science project if had access to GC?).  </p>
<p>I recall in undergrad org lab using steam distillation to extract caffeine from tea as one of the few times people enjoyed smell in the lab.  Perhaps only second to when we made a selection of esters with Methyl salicylate/wintergreen being my favorite.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-423551</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really not sure about that whole oxygenation aspect of the taste. Certainly any benefits of boiling too long or too short, reboiling, or whatever are totally negated by adding acid.

db</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really not sure about that whole oxygenation aspect of the taste. Certainly any benefits of boiling too long or too short, reboiling, or whatever are totally negated by adding acid.</p>
<p>db</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/teatime.html/comment-page-1#comment-423544</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shefaly, don&#039;t just not love double negatives, they ain&#039;t not the funniest thing.

Ion exchanged water is the last thing you want to drink...those calcium and magnesium ions are swapped for sodium (from salt) in such a device. I mentioned this in an item on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/drinking-softened-water.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drinking softened water&lt;/a&gt; that was originally on chemspy but I migrated it to here...

db</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shefaly, don&#8217;t just not love double negatives, they ain&#8217;t not the funniest thing.</p>
<p>Ion exchanged water is the last thing you want to drink&#8230;those calcium and magnesium ions are swapped for sodium (from salt) in such a device. I mentioned this in an item on <a href="http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/drinking-softened-water.html" rel="nofollow">drinking softened water</a> that was originally on chemspy but I migrated it to here&#8230;</p>
<p>db</p>
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