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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, just because it&#039;s old doesn&#039;t mean it works. I suspect there are an awful lot of people who never did get well...do you know any rich TCM practitioners? Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, just because it&#8217;s old doesn&#8217;t mean it works. I suspect there are an awful lot of people who never did get well&#8230;do you know any rich TCM practitioners? Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: alternative chinese medicine</title>
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		<dc:creator>alternative chinese medicine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 06:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traditional Chinese Medicine was in use from ancient days itself. It&#039;s the ancient holistic medical system and was in practice for thousands of years. It&#039;s also interesting to know that TCM doctors were paid if &amp; only their patients remained well enough. Therefore we can definitely trust upon Chinese Medicines for certain treatments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traditional Chinese Medicine was in use from ancient days itself. It&#8217;s the ancient holistic medical system and was in practice for thousands of years. It&#8217;s also interesting to know that TCM doctors were paid if &amp; only their patients remained well enough. Therefore we can definitely trust upon Chinese Medicines for certain treatments.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a firm believer in evidence-based medicine. There is no evidence for the notion of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/detox-dont-bother.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;detox&lt;/a&gt;. If anything adding herbal remedies, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/traditional-chinese-medicine-2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TCM&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/ayurvedic-heavy-metal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ayurveda&lt;/a&gt; or otherwise) to your diet will increase toxins in your live, bloodstream etc because these will simply add to the weight of biochemical processing that your liver and kidneys need to do. Moreover, there is evidence that certain so-called &quot;natural remedies&quot; contain toxic heavy metals and other poisons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a firm believer in evidence-based medicine. There is no evidence for the notion of <a href="http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/detox-dont-bother.html" rel="nofollow">detox</a>. If anything adding herbal remedies, <a href="http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/traditional-chinese-medicine-2.html" rel="nofollow">TCM</a>, <a href="http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/ayurvedic-heavy-metal.html" rel="nofollow">Ayurveda</a> or otherwise) to your diet will increase toxins in your live, bloodstream etc because these will simply add to the weight of biochemical processing that your liver and kidneys need to do. Moreover, there is evidence that certain so-called &#8220;natural remedies&#8221; contain toxic heavy metals and other poisons.</p>
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		<title>By: GABRIELA</title>
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		<dc:creator>GABRIELA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 16:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my husband is planing to start to use chinese medicine, he just went to a chinese center where he saw a &#039;doctor&#039; and told him that his back pain, and he is tired, becouse he hasa liver or kidney problem, aparently the muscles are fine, and the doctor said that he could start a detox progam for 4 months and try herbal, and natural medicine, my husband take very seriusly but i want to research firts what do the peple say, i mean, does it have a cosecuenses or does it works.??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my husband is planing to start to use chinese medicine, he just went to a chinese center where he saw a &#8216;doctor&#8217; and told him that his back pain, and he is tired, becouse he hasa liver or kidney problem, aparently the muscles are fine, and the doctor said that he could start a detox progam for 4 months and try herbal, and natural medicine, my husband take very seriusly but i want to research firts what do the peple say, i mean, does it have a cosecuenses or does it works.??</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/traditional-chinese-medicine-2.html/comment-page-4#comment-413636</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My latest science news column on SpectroscopyNOW.com discusses anti-arthritic compounds found in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spectroscopynow.com/coi/cda/detail.cda?id=18575&amp;type=Feature&amp;chId=2&amp;page=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chinese medicinal ants&lt;/a&gt;. Anyone tried this novel therapy for arthritis and want to share your experiences?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My latest science news column on SpectroscopyNOW.com discusses anti-arthritic compounds found in <a href="http://www.spectroscopynow.com/coi/cda/detail.cda?id=18575&#038;type=Feature&#038;chId=2&#038;page=1" rel="nofollow">Chinese medicinal ants</a>. Anyone tried this novel therapy for arthritis and want to share your experiences?</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put Chris. I think that probably encapsulates how I feel about the conventional-complementary dichotomy. There most certainly is a placebo effect, we have no idea how it works, we have no idea why many pharmaceutical drugs work, we certainly have no idea why some alternative treatments work. Equally, we have no idea why some proponents in both camps are adamant that their approach is the perfect solution to the problem of illness and cannot handle well evidence to the contrary.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put Chris. I think that probably encapsulates how I feel about the conventional-complementary dichotomy. There most certainly is a placebo effect, we have no idea how it works, we have no idea why many pharmaceutical drugs work, we certainly have no idea why some alternative treatments work. Equally, we have no idea why some proponents in both camps are adamant that their approach is the perfect solution to the problem of illness and cannot handle well evidence to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several recent posts have been interesting and have me wondering about something slightly off topic.  

If illness, in many cases, is the result of psychosomatic causes--and more specifically mental processes causing physical symptoms of disease--perhaps many holistic treatments address this problem more aptly than a strong symptom-suppressing pharmaceutical.  Why does cancer resurface in so many people after having been eradicated?  I would posit a misguided treatment, one that did not fix the &quot;root&quot; cause, at least in some of the instances where this occurs.  

Of course, when talking as I have above, one must bring the placebo effect into the conversation.  Fair enough.  The placebo effect is present in all medicine East, West, or otherwise.  All of these methods benefit from placebo, there is no contesting this, and if the point is healing, then placebo should be welcome if it works.  It has been noted that placebo is more powerful in Eastern healing traditions with patients in the West, while placebo is more present in Western healing traditions with patients in the East.  I find this very interesting.

I believe healing matches, or needs to address/match, current historical context.  Our culture is sick in different ways than it was 300 years ago, and in some cases even 30 years ago.  Advertising, information, technology, expectations, and the general speed of life, are all very different, which may give rise to different appearing illnesses.  I feel Western medicine and science are beginning to--however slowly--catch on to emotion/mind causing illness in body and even vice versa.  

My point here is basically one of direction.  Science and Western medicine are wonderful in many ways; however, I think they are in need of redirection.  Maybe after the Western worldview catches up with modern physics (e.g., energy/matter being interchangeable, etc.)--which will be a while, just look at how long it took the people of the world to stomach the earth not being the center of the universe--our treatments will begin to heal root causes instead of masking the symptoms they produce.  

I apologize for the long-winded post, but I had to get this out.  Thank you.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several recent posts have been interesting and have me wondering about something slightly off topic.  </p>
<p>If illness, in many cases, is the result of psychosomatic causes&#8211;and more specifically mental processes causing physical symptoms of disease&#8211;perhaps many holistic treatments address this problem more aptly than a strong symptom-suppressing pharmaceutical.  Why does cancer resurface in so many people after having been eradicated?  I would posit a misguided treatment, one that did not fix the &#8220;root&#8221; cause, at least in some of the instances where this occurs.  </p>
<p>Of course, when talking as I have above, one must bring the placebo effect into the conversation.  Fair enough.  The placebo effect is present in all medicine East, West, or otherwise.  All of these methods benefit from placebo, there is no contesting this, and if the point is healing, then placebo should be welcome if it works.  It has been noted that placebo is more powerful in Eastern healing traditions with patients in the West, while placebo is more present in Western healing traditions with patients in the East.  I find this very interesting.</p>
<p>I believe healing matches, or needs to address/match, current historical context.  Our culture is sick in different ways than it was 300 years ago, and in some cases even 30 years ago.  Advertising, information, technology, expectations, and the general speed of life, are all very different, which may give rise to different appearing illnesses.  I feel Western medicine and science are beginning to&#8211;however slowly&#8211;catch on to emotion/mind causing illness in body and even vice versa.  </p>
<p>My point here is basically one of direction.  Science and Western medicine are wonderful in many ways; however, I think they are in need of redirection.  Maybe after the Western worldview catches up with modern physics (e.g., energy/matter being interchangeable, etc.)&#8211;which will be a while, just look at how long it took the people of the world to stomach the earth not being the center of the universe&#8211;our treatments will begin to heal root causes instead of masking the symptoms they produce.  </p>
<p>I apologize for the long-winded post, but I had to get this out.  Thank you.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, I&#039;m not in total disagreement with your comment, but one of the properties that unites many folk remedies and complementary medicines is that they all seem to have multiple effects that are highly non-specific, apparently have broad-spectrum physiological effects, and have curative effects with undefinable impact, such as &quot;soothing&quot;.

To some extent, the proponents of each one essentially claims some kind of limited panacea. Conversely, &quot;western&quot; treatments usually focus on a single issue. At least until the patent is about to expire and then a rapid reformulation for another indication can reinvigorate the market for a particular product.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, I&#8217;m not in total disagreement with your comment, but one of the properties that unites many folk remedies and complementary medicines is that they all seem to have multiple effects that are highly non-specific, apparently have broad-spectrum physiological effects, and have curative effects with undefinable impact, such as &#8220;soothing&#8221;.</p>
<p>To some extent, the proponents of each one essentially claims some kind of limited panacea. Conversely, &#8220;western&#8221; treatments usually focus on a single issue. At least until the patent is about to expire and then a rapid reformulation for another indication can reinvigorate the market for a particular product.</p>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semen Cuscutae Is Used for in TCM
Today, Semen Cuscutae is used in Chinese medicine to invigorate the kidneys and consolidate kidney essence (jing), nourish the liver, improve eyesight, arrest diarrhea and soothe an unborn fetus. 
 1. It is used in syndromes caused by a kidney deficiency that exhibit symptoms such as lower back pain, erectile dysfunction, involuntary discharge of semen, urinary frequency and leucorrhea. 
 2. It is used for symptom treatment of blurred and dark vision and decreased visual acuity, which are caused by insufficient nourishment of the eyes due to liver and kidney deficiencies. 
 3. It treats diarrhea problems caused by spleen and kidney deficiencies. 
 4. It is used for cases of abnormal fetal movement caused by liver and kidney deficiencies. 
 5. It can also be used in increased thirst symptoms caused by a kidney deficiency. 
  
Despite the fact that cuscuta is unpopular with farmers, it has a long history of folk use. In Western herbalism, cuscuta was traditionally used to treat liver, spleen, and gallbladder disorders such as jaundice ; and to support liver function. It is still used, although rarely, in that way by modern herbalists. It is also a mild laxative. Other traditional Western claims for cuscuta are that it is a mild diuretic, and that it can be used to treat sciatica and scurvy. Externally, it can be gathered fresh and applied to the skin to treat scrofuladerma. Extracts of the herb have a very bitter taste. 
 In traditional Chinese medicine, the seeds of cuscuta, called tu si zi, have been used for thousands of years. In the Chinese understanding of health, yin aspects inside the person and outside in the environment must be kept in balance with yang aspects. Ill health occurs when the energies and elements of the body are out of balance or in disharmony with nature. Health is restored by taking herbs and treatments that restore internal and external balance. 
 According to traditional Chinese healers, cuscuta seeds have a neutral nature and a pungent, sweet taste. They are associated with the liver and kidneys and are used in formulas that help both yin and yang deficiencies, depending on the patient&#039;s condition and the other herbs in the formula. Cuscuta was considered both an aphrodisiac and a longevity herb because it slowed down the loss of fluids from the body. 

Contemporary Chinese herbalists use cuscuta in formulas to treat a range of conditions, including: 

 impotence;premature ejaculation;sperm leakage;frequent urination;ringing in the ears;lower back pain;sore knees;white discharge from the vagina (leucorrhea);dry eyes;blurred vision;tired eyes 

 Cuscuta is one of nine herbs included in the manufacture of Equiguard, a Chinese herbal medicine recommended for kidney and prostate disorders. Research performed at New York Medical College indicates that the combination of ingredients in Equiguard may well be effective in the treatment of prostate cancer. The preparation inhibited the growth of cancer cells, increased the rate of self-destruction (apoptosis) of cancer cells, and prevented the surviving cells from forming colonies. 
 Cuscuta is also used in the Indian system of Ayurvedic healing to treat jaundice, muscle pain, coughs, and problems with urination.

 Little scientific research has been done in the West on cuscuta. A purgative compound has been isolated from the herb, however, that supports its traditional use as a liver and gallbladder tonic. Other research done at Asian universities indicates that cuscuta seeds contain a complex carbohydrate that stimulates the immune system and has some antioxidant properties as well.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semen Cuscutae Is Used for in TCM<br />
Today, Semen Cuscutae is used in Chinese medicine to invigorate the kidneys and consolidate kidney essence (jing), nourish the liver, improve eyesight, arrest diarrhea and soothe an unborn fetus.<br />
 1. It is used in syndromes caused by a kidney deficiency that exhibit symptoms such as lower back pain, erectile dysfunction, involuntary discharge of semen, urinary frequency and leucorrhea.<br />
 2. It is used for symptom treatment of blurred and dark vision and decreased visual acuity, which are caused by insufficient nourishment of the eyes due to liver and kidney deficiencies.<br />
 3. It treats diarrhea problems caused by spleen and kidney deficiencies.<br />
 4. It is used for cases of abnormal fetal movement caused by liver and kidney deficiencies.<br />
 5. It can also be used in increased thirst symptoms caused by a kidney deficiency. </p>
<p>Despite the fact that cuscuta is unpopular with farmers, it has a long history of folk use. In Western herbalism, cuscuta was traditionally used to treat liver, spleen, and gallbladder disorders such as jaundice ; and to support liver function. It is still used, although rarely, in that way by modern herbalists. It is also a mild laxative. Other traditional Western claims for cuscuta are that it is a mild diuretic, and that it can be used to treat sciatica and scurvy. Externally, it can be gathered fresh and applied to the skin to treat scrofuladerma. Extracts of the herb have a very bitter taste.<br />
 In traditional Chinese medicine, the seeds of cuscuta, called tu si zi, have been used for thousands of years. In the Chinese understanding of health, yin aspects inside the person and outside in the environment must be kept in balance with yang aspects. Ill health occurs when the energies and elements of the body are out of balance or in disharmony with nature. Health is restored by taking herbs and treatments that restore internal and external balance.<br />
 According to traditional Chinese healers, cuscuta seeds have a neutral nature and a pungent, sweet taste. They are associated with the liver and kidneys and are used in formulas that help both yin and yang deficiencies, depending on the patient&#8217;s condition and the other herbs in the formula. Cuscuta was considered both an aphrodisiac and a longevity herb because it slowed down the loss of fluids from the body. </p>
<p>Contemporary Chinese herbalists use cuscuta in formulas to treat a range of conditions, including: </p>
<p> impotence;premature ejaculation;sperm leakage;frequent urination;ringing in the ears;lower back pain;sore knees;white discharge from the vagina (leucorrhea);dry eyes;blurred vision;tired eyes </p>
<p> Cuscuta is one of nine herbs included in the manufacture of Equiguard, a Chinese herbal medicine recommended for kidney and prostate disorders. Research performed at New York Medical College indicates that the combination of ingredients in Equiguard may well be effective in the treatment of prostate cancer. The preparation inhibited the growth of cancer cells, increased the rate of self-destruction (apoptosis) of cancer cells, and prevented the surviving cells from forming colonies.<br />
 Cuscuta is also used in the Indian system of Ayurvedic healing to treat jaundice, muscle pain, coughs, and problems with urination.</p>
<p> Little scientific research has been done in the West on cuscuta. A purgative compound has been isolated from the herb, however, that supports its traditional use as a liver and gallbladder tonic. Other research done at Asian universities indicates that cuscuta seeds contain a complex carbohydrate that stimulates the immune system and has some antioxidant properties as well.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point, well made Vaughn. In one sense I&#039;d have to agree, but the problem with the &quot;measure results according to a person’s well-being before and after, without science chopping it up&quot; perspective is knowing what&#039;s having the before to after effect. If the healing is being approached holistically with lots of mopping of fevered brows and a caring bedside manner, who&#039;s to say it&#039;s not just that having the beneficial effects rather than the herbal infusion being imbibed, for instance. And, if it is, then a trial might extract that information and allow the holistic healer to mop the brow without the risk of prescribing a heady herbal brew that may be contaminated with heavy metals and other nasties that, in the long-term, may have more of a detrimental effect than a drug selected for its apparently direct action on the patient&#039;s symptoms.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point, well made Vaughn. In one sense I&#8217;d have to agree, but the problem with the &#8220;measure results according to a person’s well-being before and after, without science chopping it up&#8221; perspective is knowing what&#8217;s having the before to after effect. If the healing is being approached holistically with lots of mopping of fevered brows and a caring bedside manner, who&#8217;s to say it&#8217;s not just that having the beneficial effects rather than the herbal infusion being imbibed, for instance. And, if it is, then a trial might extract that information and allow the holistic healer to mop the brow without the risk of prescribing a heady herbal brew that may be contaminated with heavy metals and other nasties that, in the long-term, may have more of a detrimental effect than a drug selected for its apparently direct action on the patient&#8217;s symptoms.</p>
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