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	<title>Comments on: Vitamin D Dilemma &#8211; To D or Not To D</title>
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		<title>By: David Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vitamin-d-dilemma.html/comment-page-3#comment-634754</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further comment: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further comment: <a href="http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/vitamin-d-and-h1n1-swine-flu.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vitamin-d-dilemma.html/comment-page-3#comment-634751</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to keep in mind that proper nutrition involves teamwork. A heavy dose of one particular nutrient can have detrimental effects if another member of the team is in short supply. There needs to be balance. http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2008/07/23/vitamin_a_and_d_synergy_and_balance.htm

Regarding the assertion that vitamin D3 may inhibit immune response, the major modulators of immune response appear to be sugar http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2008/07/23/vitamin_a_and_d_synergy_and_balance.htm and Omega-6 fatty acids http://omega-6-omega-3-balance.omegaoptimize.com/.

The important question is not whether vitamin D3 supplementation is harmful or helpful but in what nutritional context is supplementation of benefit? 

And as far as pathogens are concerned, the same sort of sugar/omega-6 oil laced diet that promotes an imbalance of gut flora may also set up an internal environment where vitamin D3 supplementation does more harm than good.

In my own personal experiment with vitamin D3 supplementation I am taking 5,000 IU  this year. Last year the dose was 2,000 IU and I experienced one cold and one bout with influenza. In my younger years when I was not supplementing with anything I never developed flu symptoms and experienced a cold about once every five years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to keep in mind that proper nutrition involves teamwork. A heavy dose of one particular nutrient can have detrimental effects if another member of the team is in short supply. There needs to be balance. <a href="http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2008/07/23/vitamin_a_and_d_synergy_and_balance.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2008/07/23/vitamin_a_and_d_synergy_and_balance.htm</a></p>
<p>Regarding the assertion that vitamin D3 may inhibit immune response, the major modulators of immune response appear to be sugar <a href="http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2008/07/23/vitamin_a_and_d_synergy_and_balance.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.communicationagents.com/sepp/2008/07/23/vitamin_a_and_d_synergy_and_balance.htm</a> and Omega-6 fatty acids <a href="http://omega-6-omega-3-balance.omegaoptimize.com/" rel="nofollow">http://omega-6-omega-3-balance.omegaoptimize.com/</a>.</p>
<p>The important question is not whether vitamin D3 supplementation is harmful or helpful but in what nutritional context is supplementation of benefit? </p>
<p>And as far as pathogens are concerned, the same sort of sugar/omega-6 oil laced diet that promotes an imbalance of gut flora may also set up an internal environment where vitamin D3 supplementation does more harm than good.</p>
<p>In my own personal experiment with vitamin D3 supplementation I am taking 5,000 IU  this year. Last year the dose was 2,000 IU and I experienced one cold and one bout with influenza. In my younger years when I was not supplementing with anything I never developed flu symptoms and experienced a cold about once every five years.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick D</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vitamin-d-dilemma.html/comment-page-2#comment-634734</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davis,

I&#039;m not sure what you mean.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vitamin-d-dilemma.html/comment-page-2#comment-634714</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nick No matter how nicely you word an argument, you cannot, repeat cannot, conduct a statistically significant, scientific, placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trial with you as the only member of the experimental cohort and the one administering the treatment. You might perceive a positive effect, but how do you know that simply popping a sugar pill that someone told you was the &quot;drug&quot; wouldn&#039;t have had just the same effect? You cannot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nick No matter how nicely you word an argument, you cannot, repeat cannot, conduct a statistically significant, scientific, placebo-controlled, double-blind clinical trial with you as the only member of the experimental cohort and the one administering the treatment. You might perceive a positive effect, but how do you know that simply popping a sugar pill that someone told you was the &#8220;drug&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t have had just the same effect? You cannot.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick D</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vitamin-d-dilemma.html/comment-page-2#comment-634708</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some serious problems with once again being encourage to become an unwitting experiment in RAH RAH science.  Those doing these glowing reports on the benefits of the secosteroid D appear to have much to benefit from selling the populace massive amounts of D. People fail to realize that Big Pharma is not the only game in town. We also have the suppliment industry. I&#039;m not against suppliments. I&#039;m just against being a lab rat. 

Recently I started to take D3 at 10,000 per day or more based on current recommendations, then I found the Marshall Protocol and how they were actually curing people using pulsed low dose antibiotics, Benicar to activate the Vitamin D nuclear Receptors that are plugged up by D2 and L-Bacteria Biofilm defensive compounds. D3 then goes on to plug up the T cell receptors in ather parts of the immune system. Because of this well thought out information on presented by Amy Proal at Bacteriality.com I have suspended by vitamin D3 intake until I straighten all this out.

I wrote the following short essay on the Dr. Mercola facebook site. I have to say that to date Dr. Mercola has not answered any of my Q&#039;s or concerns.

Okay, here is why, if you have an autoimmune disease, that you should avoid Steroidal D (D is not a Vitamin) otherwise known as D2 and D3. Pathogens produce binders that attach to VITAMIN D NUCLEAR RECEPTORS (VDR). D2 (25-D) does the same thing. Both of them block D3. This stops the D3 (1,25-D) from doing its job on the VDR. D3 now will seek other immune receptors like the T3 receptors and bind to them not allowing T3 to do its immune function. Taking massive amounts of D3 will only inhibit your ability to fight the pathogens and heal.

Okay. So now, you are worried so you go to your doctor and test for D. He/she will probably do a D2 (25-D) test and tell you that it is low. They’ll tell you that nick is full of it and prescribe that you should increase your vitamin D intake!!! Just one minute, now. Before you leave the doctor’s office insist that you have them do a D3 (1,25-D) test. It will probably come back as off the charts high.

Why is that, Nick? If you have an autoimmune disease, then the enzyme that is responsible for breaking down D3 (1,25-D), so that you don’t have too much D3, is suppressed. Also, the D3 has no VDR receptors to latch on to. D3 therefore goes on to block the rest of the immune system because D3 needs a home, too.

In conclusion, taking massive amounts of D3 in this case could entirely possibly shut down your entire immune system!!

Okay, then, so far so good, but what if you don’t have an autoimmune disease. How about this scenario, you take massive amount of D3 and you overwhelm the enzymes responsible for breaking down the excessive D3 in your system. The D3 will now have no choice, but to infect the rest of your immune system causing a self induced autoimmune disease response. If gone on unchecked, then the path is similarly bleak.

Okay, so Nick, then why is it that when I started to take D, that I felt better? I’m glad that you asked that question my good person. D2 and the Pathogens block the VDR Receptors and the massive amounts of D3 that you are taking are blocking the rest of the immune system. This allows the pathogens to grow and colonize unchecked by the immune system. However, the immune system when working properly causes a die-off of the pathogens. When the pathogens die, they give off toxic substances that cause all kinds of symptoms from mild to chronic. If the immune system can no longer kill them, then your symptoms magically disappear.

The kicker is that the pathogens continue on their merry way, year after year once the immune system is immobile. A portion of the pathogens do die just like everything else and this becomes a self sustaining toxic die-off. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is the result.

Good Luck To All,
Nick D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some serious problems with once again being encourage to become an unwitting experiment in RAH RAH science.  Those doing these glowing reports on the benefits of the secosteroid D appear to have much to benefit from selling the populace massive amounts of D. People fail to realize that Big Pharma is not the only game in town. We also have the suppliment industry. I&#8217;m not against suppliments. I&#8217;m just against being a lab rat. </p>
<p>Recently I started to take D3 at 10,000 per day or more based on current recommendations, then I found the Marshall Protocol and how they were actually curing people using pulsed low dose antibiotics, Benicar to activate the Vitamin D nuclear Receptors that are plugged up by D2 and L-Bacteria Biofilm defensive compounds. D3 then goes on to plug up the T cell receptors in ather parts of the immune system. Because of this well thought out information on presented by Amy Proal at Bacteriality.com I have suspended by vitamin D3 intake until I straighten all this out.</p>
<p>I wrote the following short essay on the Dr. Mercola facebook site. I have to say that to date Dr. Mercola has not answered any of my Q&#8217;s or concerns.</p>
<p>Okay, here is why, if you have an autoimmune disease, that you should avoid Steroidal D (D is not a Vitamin) otherwise known as D2 and D3. Pathogens produce binders that attach to VITAMIN D NUCLEAR RECEPTORS (VDR). D2 (25-D) does the same thing. Both of them block D3. This stops the D3 (1,25-D) from doing its job on the VDR. D3 now will seek other immune receptors like the T3 receptors and bind to them not allowing T3 to do its immune function. Taking massive amounts of D3 will only inhibit your ability to fight the pathogens and heal.</p>
<p>Okay. So now, you are worried so you go to your doctor and test for D. He/she will probably do a D2 (25-D) test and tell you that it is low. They’ll tell you that nick is full of it and prescribe that you should increase your vitamin D intake!!! Just one minute, now. Before you leave the doctor’s office insist that you have them do a D3 (1,25-D) test. It will probably come back as off the charts high.</p>
<p>Why is that, Nick? If you have an autoimmune disease, then the enzyme that is responsible for breaking down D3 (1,25-D), so that you don’t have too much D3, is suppressed. Also, the D3 has no VDR receptors to latch on to. D3 therefore goes on to block the rest of the immune system because D3 needs a home, too.</p>
<p>In conclusion, taking massive amounts of D3 in this case could entirely possibly shut down your entire immune system!!</p>
<p>Okay, then, so far so good, but what if you don’t have an autoimmune disease. How about this scenario, you take massive amount of D3 and you overwhelm the enzymes responsible for breaking down the excessive D3 in your system. The D3 will now have no choice, but to infect the rest of your immune system causing a self induced autoimmune disease response. If gone on unchecked, then the path is similarly bleak.</p>
<p>Okay, so Nick, then why is it that when I started to take D, that I felt better? I’m glad that you asked that question my good person. D2 and the Pathogens block the VDR Receptors and the massive amounts of D3 that you are taking are blocking the rest of the immune system. This allows the pathogens to grow and colonize unchecked by the immune system. However, the immune system when working properly causes a die-off of the pathogens. When the pathogens die, they give off toxic substances that cause all kinds of symptoms from mild to chronic. If the immune system can no longer kill them, then your symptoms magically disappear.</p>
<p>The kicker is that the pathogens continue on their merry way, year after year once the immune system is immobile. A portion of the pathogens do die just like everything else and this becomes a self sustaining toxic die-off. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is the result.</p>
<p>Good Luck To All,<br />
Nick D.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vitamin-d-dilemma.html/comment-page-2#comment-632606</link>
		<dc:creator>David Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I learned this summer that Vitamin-D does not provide protection from initial sun overexposure. I exposed my back to the sun for about three hours early this summer and blistered and itched for days afterward. Initial sun exposure has to be brief. After a slight tan is achieved, all-day exposure does not cause a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned this summer that Vitamin-D does not provide protection from initial sun overexposure. I exposed my back to the sun for about three hours early this summer and blistered and itched for days afterward. Initial sun exposure has to be brief. After a slight tan is achieved, all-day exposure does not cause a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vitamin-d-dilemma.html/comment-page-2#comment-632594</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Betsy I&#039;d be wary of taking excessive amounts of anything, myself...</description>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 66 and found my D level was  11.0  a month a go. I&#039;m taking 10k UI&#039;s weekly and feel from what i&#039;m reading that that is not enough.  I am calling my doctor to ask for an increase. I have many symptoms.  Thanka Betsy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 66 and found my D level was  11.0  a month a go. I&#8217;m taking 10k UI&#8217;s weekly and feel from what i&#8217;m reading that that is not enough.  I am calling my doctor to ask for an increase. I have many symptoms.  Thanka Betsy</p>
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		<title>By: David Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.sciencebase.com/science-blog/vitamin-d-dilemma.html/comment-page-2#comment-629268</link>
		<dc:creator>David Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you saying there are problems with my post or just highlighting a specific benefit for vitamin D. Vitamin D is not a single compound I am confused as to how &quot;its&quot; various effects can be separated in any trials where it is given in one but not other forms...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you saying there are problems with my post or just highlighting a specific benefit for vitamin D. Vitamin D is not a single compound I am confused as to how &#8220;its&#8221; various effects can be separated in any trials where it is given in one but not other forms&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dolo Stefano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dolo Stefano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 17:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get the facts from real researchers doing double-blind studies: go to PubMed and search &quot;Vitamin D immune.&quot;  You&#039;ll find that all legitimate studies suggest that if anything, when taken in prescribed amounts rather than as a megadose, Vitamin D helps ameliorate Crohn&#039;s Disease, can protect children from developing asthma, etcetera, etcetera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get the facts from real researchers doing double-blind studies: go to PubMed and search &#8220;Vitamin D immune.&#8221;  You&#8217;ll find that all legitimate studies suggest that if anything, when taken in prescribed amounts rather than as a megadose, Vitamin D helps ameliorate Crohn&#8217;s Disease, can protect children from developing asthma, etcetera, etcetera.</p>
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